Open Issues Forum

Bill Norton

Table of Contents

• Stan Barber's Notes
• June 1997 NANOG Home Page

Stan Barber's Notes

The Draft NANOG Mailing List AUP

People who responded to the survey decided that the AUP was great.

What about splitting up the list? Most people really want to keep the list as one. However, we will create a nanog-announce list just for announcing meeting information.

Stephen Stewart suggested that the nanog-announce list be set to read-only or moderated. There is considerable sentiment that folks do that.

Randy Bush suggested that an announcement be made next meeting about what has been done.

Australian National NAP -- AUIX

Information presented by Thomas Koltai.

NSPs in Australia have decided that they needed local exchange network. 56K is still very fast there. E1 are about $15k/month.

The trans-contenental network was just finished last week. AUIX Interstate Peering Network is built from 64kb per AUIX site with a 1Mb port speed. There are NAPs are in Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth. Auix services include a uniform grades of service, BGP-4 protocol, primary and secondary DNS, and detailed trouble ticket system.

The AUIX is a reaction against Telestra, the dominate carrier and their aggressive line charges.

Top 3 ISP Issues

1. LEC/IXC timely delivery infrastructure
2. LEC/IXC providing reliable infrastructure
3. Capacity availability from transit providers

• We don't care. We don't have to care. We're the phone company.
• Old bureaucracy which is just too slow
• Too much demand
• Competition could fix that.

• There is a fiber shortage in certain part of the country.
• Business reasons
  • Sell to competitor?
  • Scarce resource, sell to competitor?
  • Scarce resource, not planed for 20 years ago.
  • Small sales, not worth the time.
  • Want to sell to customers directly
• In some cases, just can't build it fast enough.

• Can't make fiber fast enough
• Only have so many people that are qualified to lay fiber
• Moore's Law don't apply to backhoes
• Can't get ATM switches fast enough
• Phone use for data distroying use characteristics, want to be careful this time
• Planning horizons are more like five years at a time.

Fran [need her last name] from PAC*BELL is here to talk with us about this.

Each LEC have their own strengths and weaknesses. PAC*BELL used to have good turn-around, but due to a desire of the chairman to "churn the workforce", then service got much worse. They are recovering. In fact , when SWBT bought them, they were surprised at the size of the workforce and are now agressively trying to address this.

PAC*BELL shortages are usually time-slots and hardware in the COs. They do have enough copper in the ground. Though a couple of folks at the meeting who have had experience contrary to that.

PAC*BELL is looking to DSL to solve the problems they have in some areas where some Cos are so loaded with providing access to the Internet they have no slots for dial-tone. However, PAC*BELL is having to put in new infrastructure to support this.

Are any ISPs using dry pair? PAC*BELL doesn't really have any. PAC*BELL is going to put some in to do DSL.

Some kind of ISP certification program might help. Giving the LECs a list of what we need and push them to do it.

John Curran suggests most of the LECs are trying to provide the business directly. He suggests that folks may have to become a competative local loop provider.